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lawmanuk
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Post subject: pc-bsd
 Posted: Sep 13, 2008 - 03:07 PM
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hi,
one of the reasons i've tried to switch from windows to linux is the supposed greater stability of linux.
unfortunately, i've found that the best linus distro i've found for me (parsix), randomly freezes on my sony vaio (numerous times per day!), or at other times crashes iceweasel (gnash removed) or logs me out without notice. windows crashed far less for me than linux does.
all of these issues, may have something to do with hardware compatibility, but it's more than one laptop for me that linux freezes on making it impossible to work without worrying about losing data. as these issues don't happen in windows, i can't simply blame hardware.
i've decided to try and switch to pcbsd or desktopbsd, as my reading suggests these are both more stable due to structured design and also possibly 30% faster than linux distributions.
does anybody have experience with either of these?
thanks
ps. this wasn't meant to be a troll |
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xet7
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Post subject: RE: pc-bsd
Posted: Sep 13, 2008 - 05:22 PM
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I have not had crash or stability problems with Parsix, and I have used it daily from beginning of this year 2008. Parsix for me is very stable and very fast. Freezes have always been because I had broken hardware connected to laptop (broken external eSATA connected 500GB harddrive, and Firewire DVD drive that may be broken too), after removing that hardware it's very stable again. If anything starts freezing I need to get backups made as soon as possible, because freezes may mean for example that harddrive may fail, as happened with my external harddrive.
OS's are very complex, and there are lots of different hardware combinations. It's best to test many OS's, until you find what's best for your hardware. It's not possible to say without testing what would work on particular hardware. Fastest way to test is if OS has LiveCD so it's easy to test what works right away. Installing usually does not take too much time either, if it's not compile-most-from-sources OS.
My comments about Parsix would be the same for any OS that is not Windows or Mac, because with Open Source it's easier to get problems fixed:
http://www.parsix.org/html/index.php?mo ... =whyParsix
Here's some Linux distros that work on my laptop, according to tests with LiveCDs:
- Parsix
- OpenSuse
- Puppy Linux
- Frugalware
About BSD I only currently know about this:
- VirtualBox does not currently work on BSD, so you need to use slower Qemu, if you need something similar than VirtualBox.
- I have heard lots of good about BSDs
Most advanced BSD currently is DragonflyBSD with it's cool HAMMER filesystem, direct link below to bsdtalk podcast #154 file that is and 30min long and filesize about 14 MB. I would love to test it when I get more free time.
MP3:
http://cisx1.uma.maine.edu/~wbackman/bs ... alk154.mp3
OGG:
http://cisx1.uma.maine.edu/~wbackman/bs ... alk154.ogg
Other bsdtalk podcasts:
http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/
Please reply here about your experiences about BSDs, I would love to know more, because I have not had time to test BSDs myself. Thanks!  |
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Posted: Sep 13, 2008 - 06:41 PM
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Joined: Jan 25, 2008
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| BSD is not noticeably faster than linux and is probably harder to set up on your sony than Parsix/linux, |
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cmost
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Posted: Sep 13, 2008 - 10:30 PM
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Joined: Feb 19, 2008
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I've been using Linux for nearly six years now on myriad of hardware configurations. Overall, I have found Linux to be far superior to Windows in stability, power, and freedom of choice. I will never return to Windows. Parsix (and Debian Linux general) is rock solid and never crashes on my system. My breif forray into FreeBSD revealed it to be a great UNIX OS but I prefer Linux since I find it to have better hardware support and more software available in binary format.
While I do occasionally experience a glitch or two with an errant package or configuration on my Linux system, such bugs are usually fixed fairly quickly. The key to my success with Linux is choosing hardware carefully. I always research compatibility before upgrading my motherboard, video card, etc. so that my experience with Linux meets my expectations. It's always harder to try to jam a square peg into a round hole. Choose a round peg to begin with.
Laptops are notoriously proprietary and the problems you're describing are most certainly attributed to your hardware. Windows works so well because its drivers were written specifically for your laptop. If the forums were filled with reports of similar issues as yours then one might suspect Parsix as the culprit. This simply isn't the case and you may want to accept that your hardware might not be suitable for use with Linux (or even *BSD) out-of-the-box. At least not yet (Linux evolves at an astounding rate.) Unfortunately, in my experience, hardware support with FreeBSD is not yet on par with Linux and I suspect you'll find even more problems with it (and a smaller community to assist.)
In any case, PC-BSD is a great operating system by all accounts. Please report your experience with it. Good luck! |
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lawmanuk
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Posted: Sep 14, 2008 - 10:19 PM
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Joined: Aug 09, 2008
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parsix doesn't freeze on my desktop, so it could be hardware.
however, other distros don't freeze on my laptop, so that confuses me.
i'm hoping perhaps it's just some setting or driver i messed up in parsix resulting in freezes.
i don't want to reinstall parsix again, as don't know why my screen resolution is now suddenly working, whereas it doesn't on the live cd or installation. 
... it seems hardware compatibility will stop me checking bsd out. i've tried the following and none of them will even boot up in my laptop:
pcbsd 7 beta1, pcbsd 1.5, desktopbsd 1.6, freebsd 7
oh well! |
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 - 05:20 PM
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Location: Thetford UK
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Why don't you try Arch, it uses a similar file system to BSD ie the ETC folder controls the whole system you can now download a live version called Larch
you need the one by Gadgrind as its installable it uses Lide as the desktop manager. and ram is under 80mb. and pure Arch, draw back its command-line login. and need more permissions than most. ei install oofice 3 and you can only use it in root until you grant user rights to the ooof3 file in the home folder as it has a protected java file inside, but its .686 optimised and has vbox as standard. I have used Arch longer than Parsix its a matter of choice but I prefer Parsix over all other distros as for me it all just works. and I use extra repros as well. I support Cmost you need the have the right hardware my near top of the range 64bit duel core cost under £250 to build, ie the gamer case came with 450watt power supply £40 processor and motherboard £90 nvidia card with 1gb ram £36 but you need to shop around to do this. then you get the benefit of Linux |
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lawmanuk
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Posted: Sep 18, 2008 - 06:36 AM
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| ok, just tried pcbsd on my dell 64bit desktop. the mouse is too jerky to use, so ditched for desktopbsd which also has a 64bit version. so far so good - but bsd is just another learning curve for this windoze user, just as I was getting used to linux! |
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